So, choose the one that you feel most comfortable with and it will probably serve you well afield. Neither are really good options for a truly compact rifle, but a 300 Win Mag with a 24 barrel will be a little easier to handle than a 28 Nosler rifle with a 26 barrel. Dec 26, 2019 #4 Silvereagle50 WKR Joined Handloaders will appreciate the fact that reloading components for both cartridges are widely available and theres an excellent variety of bullet choices for each cartridge. The higher muzzle velocities of the 28 Nosler rounds aided them in having a flatter trajectory. This means that both cartridges will fit into a long action rifle, which is lighter and has a shorter bolt throw than a magnum action. However, theres another heavy hitting magnum cartridge really sticks out from the crowd: the 28 Nosler. But in most cases, it has been proven that suppressors dont affect the velocity of the bullet. An interesting data point to note is that the 200 gr ELD-X bullet for the 300 Win Mag had more kinetic energy at 800 yards (1,364 ft-lbs) than the 165 gr TTSX (965 ft-lbs) as well as the 28 Noslers 160 gr Ballistic Tip (1,241 ft-lbs). But the wind is blowing at 10mph speed from the left to right. This includes all the factors like gravity, the weight of the bullet, atmospheric pressure, etc. Make sure you use premium, heavy for caliber 180gr, 190gr, or (ideally) 200gr bullets if you go that route. Same weight bullet, same velocity = same recoil. The 300 Winchester Magnum will generally have a longer barrel life than the 28 Nosler. The chart below shows 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag windage at 10mph wind at a 9 oclock angle. As weve seen above, 28 Nosler can resist the air greater than 300 Win Mag. Furthermore, allowing the barrel to cool between strings of fire will also help extend your barrel life. However, it can still potentially be an issue for hunters as well if they do not exercise care. This means the 300 Win Mag barrels will spin the bullet one revolution per 10 inches. You can check the velocity, drop rate, energy, and windage here. Reactions: XLR308. I think most hunters would agree that the 300 Winchester Magnum and 28 Nosler both fantastic cartridges for certain situations. The 28 Nosler and 7mm Rem Mag both have a longer overall length and use a longer case length than the 6.8 Western. On the other hand, the 300 Win Mag commonly uses bullets in the 150-220 grain range with 150 grain, 165 grain, 180 grain, 190 grain, and 200 grain bullets being most common. This makes finding inexpensive plinking bullets as well as premium hunting bullets a relatively simple task. The primary difference between the two is the 28 fires a smaller diameter bullet with a similar powder charge. In fact, the 7mm Remington Magnum and the 300 Winchester Magnum are both among the most popular centerfire rifle cartridges in the United States to this day. The potential for flinching is also an issue for cartridges with heavy recoil. Some manufacturers like to use a longer barrel to slightly pad their numbers to make their round look better. Additionally, dont forget about the importance of impact velocity. First, though the 300 Win Mag has a slightly longer case (2.62 vs 2.59), the 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag both have the same overall length of 3.34 (same as the 30-06). However, that performance comes at the price of more recoil. The 300 Win Mag cannot be beat when it comes to ammo availability and rifle options as it has been on the market for over half a century. However, if you are a competitive shooter who needs to squeeze every fps out of a cartridge or enjoy having the best ballistics possible for your hunting rifle, then the 28 Nosler deserves a look. Now, there are tons of differences between these cartridges. Based on a slightly modified 404 Jeffery case necked down to shoot .264 bullets, the 26 Nosler was definitely in the running for the title of the worlds most powerful 6.5mm commercial cartridge.. No worries! The United States entered a period of sustained economic growth after the end of World War II in 1945 and the manufacturing base that produced gigantic quantities of weapons for use during the war switched over to firearm and ammunition development for civilian use. It is an "improved" .300 H&H with full-length (2.825-inch) case, body taper removed to increase powder capacity, and the signature Weatherby "double-Venturi" shoulder. The 300 Win Mag uses the same 308 bullet size as the .308 Winchester, .30-30 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, 300 WSM, .300 Ultra Mag, and .300 PRC. I seriously doubt the 28 Nosler will get you to the next node. However, as of late 2022, were still not living in normal times. Lets say, you want to hit the target from a distance of 300 yards with 28 Nosler. But if you are looking for our opinion, wed suggest going for 28 Nosler. Well, were starting with an appreciation of the Nosler ballastic tip. You must have JavaScript enabled in your browser to utilize the functionality of this website. You may wonder whether to choose 300 Win Mag or 28 Nosler with a muzzle brake. Now lets take a look at the dimensions of 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag.Specification28 Nosler300 Win MagParent Case.300 Remington Ultra Magnum.375 H&H MagnumBullet Diameter7.21 mm7.8 mmNeck Diameter8.1 mm8.6 mmShoulder Diameter13.4 mm12.4 mmBase Diameter14.0 mm13 mmRim Diameter13.6 mm13.5 mmRim Thickness1.3 mm1.3 mmCase Length65.8 mm67 mmOverall Length84.8 mm85 mmPrimer TypeLarge Rifle MagnumLarge Rifle Magnum. The 300 Win Mag and 28 Nosler are two centerfire rifle cartridges that are more alike than they are different. The 300 Win Mag has been the go-to cartridge for elk hunting for decades thanks to its ability to shoot heavier 190 and 200 grain bullets. Specifically, the larger diameter .308 bullets used by the .300 Win Mag have just over 17% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .284 bullets used by the 28 Nosler (.0745 vs .0633 square inches). The differences between the cartridges in terms of wind deflection are even more pronounced at longer range. Barrel Life. This whole comparison is a little different than most of my other cartridge comparisons because of the limited bullet offerings available for the 28 Nosler. As a result, 300 Win Mag starts losing more energy compared to the 28 Nosler. That high velocity 165gr 300 Win Mag load comes close though, with just .8-1.9 (2.5-6.1%) of difference in bullet drop at 500 yards compared to the various 28 Nosler loads. This is especially true with the high velocity/high BC 175gr AccuBond Long Range load for the 28 Nosler. The .28 Nosler is a belted magnum cartridge that uses a small rifle primer. These will help you choose the one youre looking for. The 300 Win Mag fires the popular 0.308 diameter bullet, which is also used by the 308 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, 300WSM, and 300 PRC. Some of the links below are affiliate links. Nosler's factory ammunition is offered with the 225-grain AccuBond, the 265-grain AccuBond Long Range and their 300-grain Custom Competition. By now, youve probably already got your winner. Why not the others? All other things being equal, the 300 Win Mag will probably have better barrel life than the 28 Nosler. We saw 28 Nosler getting a similar kind of advantage in twist rate when we compared it with 300 win mag. Of the two, the 300 Win Mag is definitely the more popular and its usually among the top 10 most popular cartridges in the USA each year. The situation is a little different with the Terminal Ascent loads though. Say the bullets are more than 180 grains in 300 Win Mag. The 28 Nosler also has a rebated rim while the 300 Win Mag does not. Still, if recoil is your concern, then you should go for the 300 win mag instead of the 28 Nosler or 30 Nosler. 1st choice would be the 300 RUM. Heavyweight Cotton Canvas 2 separate pockets, Constructed with high density nylon material, Includes AUX input and 3.5 mm connection cord for MP3 players and scanners. Regardless, the 300 Win Mag will generally have less recoil than the 28 Nosler, making the 300 WM the better option for recoil sensitive shooters or those prone to flinching due to recoil anticipation. The 190gr 300 Win Mag AccuBond Long Range has a similar velocity and amount of kinetic energy compared to the 200gr 300 Win Mag Terminal Ascent, but the 300 Win Mag AccuBond Long Range has about 6 less bullet drop at 800 yards. This is especially true for those who are using the 28 Nosler at longer range where smaller changes in performance and accuracy add up quickly. Of all those, the 28 Nosler is by far the most popular as I write this article. For medium sized game like whitetail and antelope, both cartridges can easily take down these critters at ranges of 800 yards or more. When it comes to velocity, 175gr 28 Nosler has a comparatively higher muzzle velocity than that of 180gr 300 Win Mag. Muzzle Velocity: 3,150 fps Muzzle Energy: 3,855 ft/lbs Although it's new on the block, this cartridge is the best-engineered hunting 7mm. One difference between these two cartridges is how each headspaces in the chamber. Virtually every ammo manufacture like Hornady, Winchester, Remington, Barnes, Federal and Browning has some version of 300 Win Mag hunting ammo available. This means, 28 Nosler is more likely to hit the target than 300 Win Mag. That particular 300 Win Mag load hangs tough with the 28 Nosler because they all have one characteristic in common: a high muzzle velocity in the 3,100-3,260fps range. If youre looking for cartridges for hunting deers, 300 Win Mag is your partner. If your budge it a little more flexible, the Weatherby Vanguard, Ruger Precision Rifle, and Sako S20 are all amazing options available for over $1,000. The 300 Win Mag and 28 Nosler are both excellent rifle cartridges. So we know now, the first thing we gotta know about cartridges is ballistic profiling. This means that all the additional heat is focused on a smaller area which increases erosion of the rifling. So, carefully analyze your potential needs before making a decision. However, in this case, it still falls short when it comes to the range. The 28 Nosler is the clear winner for a hunter looking for a really good cartridge for use on bigger game, especially at extended range. Full Member . Now, even the 28 Nosler doesnt have a ridiculous amount of recoil. Here comes another deciding factor, the price of 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag. I used ShootersCalculator.com to compare trajectory and recoil for the cartridges. Both cartridges are designed for use in a long or standard length action. the 300 RUM took an elk at 400+ in 30 mph gusty wind with 2 hits 3" apart and it was only animal that required 2 shots this year. Because the wind will change the trajectory in an angular perspective. 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag Review & Comparison Big Game Hunting Blog 13.2K subscribers Subscribe 6K views 4 months ago To learn more about popular calibers like the 28 Nosler and 300. 300 Win Mag supported Winchester M70 rifles cost around $800-1600. When evaluating centerfire cartridges, its a good idea to analyze the cartridge specs to gain more knowledge of each. Seems the 30 nosler with factory ammo is pushing a 180gr at 3200 (nosler ammo) and a quick glance at hornady shows 300 win mag at 3130 fps with a 180gr. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. There is quite an ethical question of taking a shot at a game animal at longer ranges, as small miscalculations can result in wounding the poor beast and prolonging its suffering. This helps maintain shot-to-shot consistency for a time, but it is a temporary fix as eventually they will reach the limit of how far out they can seat the bullet in the case. That load fires a little bit lighter bullet at a much faster velocity and uses a lot more powder to achieve that performance. Others will last 800-1,000 rounds, but its unusual to hear of them lasting much longer than that with full powered ammunition. Heavier bullets can hold the life longer. Well, it is not weird at all. Among all these factors 300 Win Mag beats 28 Nosler in barrel life, recoil and price. On the other hand, you have 28 Nosler! Now lets take a look at the 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag load data. With it, you can use 120gr in the morning on deer and 180gr in the evening hunt on elk. When a cartridge is fired, the powder charge is ignited to push the bullet down the barrel. Its a whole lot easier to correct for bullet drop these days using a laser rangefinder and an adjustable scope turret than it is to estimate the correct wind direction and speed to calculate a wind hold. On the other hand, the 28 Nosler recoil rate is almost 30 ft-lbs, which is 16% greater than that of 300 Win Mag. Not sure which cartridge to choose for your big game? Though we will not debate the ethics of long range hunting here, our advice is that you spend ample time at the range practicing at the distances you expect to shoot. The success of the 26 and 28 Nosler spurred the development of further Nosler cartridges. All three of those cartridges utilized a .375 H&H Magnum case necked down (or up, in the case of the .458 Win Mag) andshortened from 2.85 to 2.5 long. Of course, Nosler also offers the 28 Nosler in their M48 rifle and their new M21 rifles (which are both also available in 300 Win Mag). It should be noted that most hunters will not shoot out a barrel for multiple seasons with either cartridge. Are you looking for the cartridge better suited for long range hunting for game like mule deer or pronghorn antelope in open country where you might need to take a shot at several hundred yards? Basically,the lower recoil of the 300 Win Mag can help facilitate better accuracy and help maximize the shooting abilities of the hunter using the cartridge to a greater degree than the 28 Nosler, but the 28 Nosler can help the shooter battle environmental conditions to a greater degree than the 300 Win Mag when appropriate loads are used. Such is the case for the 28 Nosler, as it was touted the most powerful 7mm big game hunting cartridge on the market in 2015. D Deleted member 46119 Guest Feb 17, 2017 #9 Longrang3r said: You might as well jump on the bandwagon as well. The Lyman 50th Edition (p223-224 & p260-262) andHornady 10th Edition(p574-585)reloading manualswere used as references for the history of the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag cartridges. of energy, the 30 Nosler outperforms such touted rounds as the 300 Weatherby and the 300 Win Mag. Also, letting the barrel return to ambient temperature, after each shot can extend the barrel life. We can calculate the load capacity of any cartridges with the formula-, Load capacity = Charge/(case capacity x bulk density). Nosler and Hornady are the primary suppliers of new, unprimed 28 Nosler brass while 300 Win Mag cases are readily available from virtually every manufacturer that offers factory new brass. With this in mind, which one would you rather be shooting at an animal at longer range if theres any wind at all? No matter which cartridge you go for, its always best if you are equipped with the right tools. The effective range or maximum range of a bullet depends on the shooter. This is higher than the .308 190gr AccuBond Long Range (.597 BC) and the 200gr Terminal Ascent (.608). But the required caliber varies from rifle to rifle. Good luck! The main difference between the 300 Winchester Magnum and the 28 Nosler is the bullet size each rifle cartridge fires. Next, the kinetic energy advantage the 175gr 28 Nosler load has over the other 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag loads gets even larger out at 800 yards: it has 18-41% more energy than the 28 Nosler loads and 20-68% more energy than the 300 Win Mag loads. So the extra recoil of the 28 Nosler isnt necessarily a deal breaker for many people. This compares favorably to 150 grain and 180 grain .308 bullets which have sectional densities of .226 and .271 respectively. Here goes the comparison between 300 Win Mag and 28 Nosler load data. Muzzle Velocity, Kinetic Energy, and Trajectory, Ballistic Coefficient and Sectional Density, 300 Win Mag vs 338 Win Mag vs 338 Lapua Mag, 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf. Interestingly, that particular 28 Nosler Terminal Ascent loading is the flattest shooting 28 Nosler factory load currently available. Source: https://www.100daysinappalachia.com/. It is capable of firing bullets weighing up to 160 grains at velocities of up to 3300 feet per second. In terms of cost, 300 Win Mag ammo will generally be less expensive with basic soft point ammo going for around $2/round and premium hunting ammo costing between $3-5/round. C. Caveman0101 Sergeant of the Hide. So, 300 Win Mag wins the race between 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag recoil clearly. Heres a chart that shows the difference in velocity between these two cartridges. As you can see, the 28 Nosler has a flatter trajectory across the board. This will allow you 92% load capacity. Youve seen only the main features in the previous segment. H2O to the top of the case mouth. However, the 28 Nosler is simply a flatter shooting cartridge. Lets go ahead! Next, while the 155gr Terminal Ascent load does have the flattest trajectory, 1 of difference in bullet drop at 800 yards between that load and the 175gr AccuBond Long Range is absolutely miniscule. Each poster will spout off why their preferred round is superior to all others based on evidence that is anecdotal at best. Data used to calculate recoil was obtained from the Nosler 9th edition reloading manual (p449 & p547). So what are you even waiting for? 25-06AI). In Laymans terms, load data means how much grain of powder charge your cartridge will need in order to acquire the maximum performance. Its also important to realize that gun manufacturers tend to put longer barrels on rifles chambered in magnum cartridges in general. Because the most crucial factor regarding cartridges is the ballistics. On the other hand, theres a split decision with the 160gr 7mm Partition (.475 BC) having a tiny bit higher BC than the 180gr .30 caliber Partition (.474), but not the 200gr .30 caliber Partition (.481 BC). Here, 28 Nosler takes the edge in terms of twist rate. Its weird that with more distance covered, 28 Nosler acquires more energy than 300 Win Mag. However, a person with the right shooting skills who wanted to extend their effective range by a another couple hundred yards would be well served by the 28 Nosler. The .280 AI chamber design, on the other hand, leaves only 0.001 inch of play in the free bore. When the wind speed is 10mph, youll never hit the point of target. Reloder 33 Recoil: 39.64 ft-lbs at 17.86 fps Muzzle Energy: 3,980 ft-lbs Maximum Pressure: 65,000 psi MPBR: 398 yards (Zero at 337 yards, 3.59" high at 100 yards.) This makes it an excellent choice for hunters who need to take down large game at long range. Well-known member Joined May 8, 2002 Messages 4,059 Location Rochester, Washington Recoil of the 300 WSM should be pretty much the same as the 300 Win Mag. We also share information about your use of our site with our social media, advertising and analytics partners. This is because those cartridges need a longer barrel to effectively and efficiently burn that larger powder charge. As an example, 150 grain and 175 grain .284 bulletshave sectional densities of .266 and .310 respectively. Less twist rate means the bullet will travel further and hit the target with more terminal impact. Particularly vulnerable is the rifling at the mouth of the chamber. Recoil is an important consideration when purchasing a new rifle as a round with heavy recoil will be more difficult to control and will slow your rate of follow up shots. Ammo availability is also usually decent online and the bigger retailers typically have a good selection of quality factory ammo for both cartridges as well (but the 300 Win Mag will likely still be easier to find and less expensive, even online). Browning now produces 28 Nosler ammo in their BXS line with a 139 grain Solid Copper and in their BXC line with a 155 grain Terminal Tip. Both are great choices for long range shooting, but there are some important differences between them that you should be aware of before making a decision.The 30 Nosler is a newer cartridge that was designed to provide superior performance to the 300 Win Mag. In this case, 28 Nosler would be the better choice. Now I'm not sure if hand loading will be the big factor in ore speed or not. If I was starting from scratch and wanted an elk gun, the 28 Nosler would be on my short list. With that being said, 7mag, 30-06 and 300 win mag are just as effective with a lot less recoil. Not even with the suppressor cover on. Similar to the situation we just discussed with trajectory and kinetic energy, the 28 Nosler has a definite edge over the 300 Win Mag in terms of wind deflection. Many more details are yet to come! This way you can be confident in your skills and equipment well before you ever set foot into the woods. But 300 Win Mags drop rate is more than that of 28 Nosler. On the other hand, while the on paper ballistic performance of the 300 Win Mag lags behind the 28 Nosler, but it also has less recoil. The end result is that the 28 Nosler has about 6.6% more free recoil energy than the 300 Win Mag. The name 26 Nosler reflects both the name of the company as well as the first two digits of the cartridge bullet diameter (.264 in the case of the 26 Nosler cartridge). The 28 Nosler uses the same 7mm/.284 bullet size as other 7mm cartridges like the 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm Mauser, 280 Ackley Improved, 7mm STW, 7mm WSM, 7 mm Rem Mag and 7mm SAUM (among others). Youve seen everything that sets 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag apart. Firing a 165gr CX bullet at a blazing fast 3,260fps, that particular loading is the flattest shooting 300 Win Mag factory loading I could find and I included it in order to compare the flattest shooting loads for each cartridge. But both of them have an almost close drop rate. However, Winchester left the belt on the cartridge case in a bit of creative marketing to harken back to its parent case. On the other hand, the 28 Nosler extends hunters effective range as the 175 gr Accubond LR factory load can maintain the suggested 1,500 ft-lbs of energy out to 800 yards. Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! The 28 Nosler will also have a shorter barrel life which may or may not be an issue. Already have 300 win mag shooting 215 hybrids, and I love it, but want to get a little more performance in order to shoot 225g ELD-M, 230 Hybrids, and the 245 when they release them . That said, this is an area where the 28 Nosler really starts to shine. The 300 Win Mag generally fires heavier bullets that have a diameter of 0.308 while the 28 Nosler fires slightly lighter 0.284 diameter bullets. That bullet has a G1 BC of .648, which outclasses the .30 caliber 190 grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range & .30 caliber 200 grain Hornady ELD-X (both have a G1 BC of .597) as well as the .30 caliber 200 grain Federal Terminal Ascent (G1 BC of .608). The .26 Nosler is based on the excellent beltless .404 Jeffery caseblown out to increase case capacitywith a . With great ballistic coefficient, comes great fighting ability. The 300 WM typically fires bullets between 150 and 220 grains while the 28 Nosler fires bullet weights between 160 and 185 grains. 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